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A Conversation With… Dan Spencer

Dan Spencer Cat Lover
Dan Spencer Cat Lover

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Dan Spencer is a poet and debut author of the novel, Cat Lover.

Recently, I spoke to Dan about his feline-themed novel, literary inspiration from across the globe, and of course some book recommendations. He also offered some brilliant, and quite extensive, advice for aspiring novelists.

I hope you enjoy the interview, and if the book tickles your fancy, do consider picking up a copy and supporting a fellow writer.

Hey Dan, thanks for taking the time to talk to Tales from Absurdia. It’s a delight to have a fellow cat lover on the blog!

First and foremost, it would be awesome to find out a bit more about yourself and your journey into publishing.

Hi, John! Thanks for the chance to chat about the book. 

So, it’s been a longish road to my debut. I studied Creative Writing as an undergraduate at UEA and on the master’s at the University of Glasgow. I then began publishing pieces in literary journals (a lot of flash fiction, prose poetry and autofiction).

As more pieces were published, I began to find journals that my work chimed with and to gain an understanding of what editors liked. Meanwhile, I still found it hard to complete what I’d call a ‘successful’ novel. 

Next, after over ten years of living in Glasgow (My wife and I are from southeast England), our family made a move to Osaka. Whilst working there, I would write novels in Muji notebooks during my combini lunch breaks.

The first of these didn’t get published, but it got me a handful of interested agents. The second one I started was Cat Lover. When we returned to the UK, during Covid, I sent it out and, this time, one of those previously interested readers (the lovely and perceptive Cara Lee Simpson at SLA), became my agent and got me signed with Atlantic Books.

I was so lucky that my editor there, Kate Ballard, also really ‘got’ the book. It’s a dream come true to be with Atlantic. I’ve genuinely loved them since their early days when they published In a Strange Room by Damon Galgut, which was a massively important book for me.

Do tell me more about Cat Lover.

It’s such a curious premise, and the preview in Gutter Mag left me both amused and a little unsettled at the same time!

What should readers expect from your novel? And where exactly did the concept come from?

I’d say it’s a little weirder than your typical ‘cat novel’, though it does look closely at a cat’s experiences and behavior, so cat lovers will find that there.

I’d call it a thoughtful, character-led book that aims to place you right inside the psychology of Ivy and Berry, a doctor and her pet cat, who are struggling with a new man in their lives.

One inspiration was my father’s cats. My parents separated when I was young, and it seemed like my dad’s cats saw a more intimate side of him than I did. They were there in those quieter moments when my brothers and I weren’t. In Cat Lover, Berry observes other characters in their more private moments. I think ‘intimacy’ is a key theme of the book.

I’ve also said that I began writing the book in Japan, but it’s set in Glasgow, so one reason for writing was to connect with and reflect on that city. The story takes place over one winter in a tenement in Glasgow’s West End. The characters and surroundings are unique to that world.

I’ve also said that I began writing the book in Japan, but it’s set in Glasgow, so one reason for writing was to connect with and reflect on that city.

The story takes place over one winter in a tenement in Glasgow’s West End. The characters and surroundings are unique to that world.

"I think 'intimacy' is a key theme of the book"

I think it’s also relevant that this isn’t the first novel I pitched to agents (let alone the first I’ve written). So, when I came to write Cat Lover, I was making not my ‘forever novel’ but one story that engaged me. That’s part of why it worked (for me at least), because it developed as a focused and constrained story.

Which writers are you enjoying the most right now? And who are your big influences?

I’m trying to increase my reading of recent literary fiction. At the moment, I’m getting into Bryan Washington. His UK publisher is also Atlantic Books (though I don’t know him).

I’d already noticed him as a very cool, new, lit fic writer on a publisher that I loved, but I’m finally reading him. Memorial is set partly in Osaka, so as an erstwhile Osakan, it’s an easy win for me. 

In terms of influences, I’ve mentioned Galgut. I can see the traces of so many writers in my work (Muriel Spark, John Berger, Nathalie Sarraute, Maguerite Duras, Italo Calvino, Lydia Davis, and many more).

Murakami’s novels gave me permission to write whatever I wanted. Modiano is a writer I’d like to read more and more of and to move towards in my own style.

Yukio Mishima is a huge influence. In fact, Cat Lover takes its structure from The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea, which is also a weird love triangle within a constrained time period and setting. A Cat, a Man, and Two Women by Junichiro Tanizaki was also an influence.

Do you have any writing rituals or habits that help you stay creative?

Oof, there’s so much to say. But I can give a few random pointers.

One: Write what interests you. I mean, always write only what feels compelling to you. I handwrite a full first draft start-to-finish in a notebook. If I begin to feel there’s no impetus to what I’m writing, I stop and pursue a different thread. 

Two: See it all as a long, ongoing process, because (at least in my experience) it’s often two steps forward and one step back.

A case in point is finding an agent. When I first tried to publish a novel, I used the Writers & Artists Handbook (with a year’s subscription), as well as Google, and kept a spreadsheet about what I’d sent and when.

Ultimately, I had about 70 rejections! But from this I got a handful of quite interested agents I could try next time. These were the first people I sent Cat Lover.

Specific to finding an agent, I’d say you should find someone who’s growing their list, so a newer, hungrier agent. By now, I’ve been in contact with my agent for about four years, and, in that time, she’s also been developing as an agent whilst I’ve been growing as a writer. 

Also (and I’m not great at this), whatever happens with your writing, you’ve got to live your life.

And finally, what are you currently reading?

I’ve mentioned Bryan Washington. Aside from that, I’ll just have to list the pile of books by my bed, all of which I should have already finished, if I could only stop looking at my phone.

Thanks so much for talking about the book, John!

Cat Lover, published by Atlantic Books, is available in paperback and ebook.

You can pre-order your copy from all good bookstores, or order directly from the publisher to support an indie publisher.

A Conversation With… Lois Miller

A Conversation With Lois Miller, Author of Romantasy Novel Don't Fear the Fire
A Conversation With Lois Miller, Author of Romantasy Novel Don't Fear the Fire

Lois Miller, 19, is a debut author with her romantasy novel Don’t Fear the Fire set to release in the UK on 25th March, 2025.

Recently, I spoke to Lois to find out a little more about her path into writing, the books that make her tick, and what readers should expect from Don’t Fear the Fire when it’s published later this year.

Hey Lois, thanks for taking the time to talk to Tales from Absurdia. It’s a pleasure to have you on the blog!

First and foremost, please tell us a little about yourself. When did you first start writing, and what was your journey into getting your first book published?

Hi! I am Lois, a nineteen (nearly twenty) year old debut author, originally from Buckinghamshire, now living in Bournemouth.

I was always a lover of creative writing – it was definitely my favourite lesson in school, but I first started writing my debut novel at the age of sixteen. I started writing what is now Don’t Fear the Fire as a way to escape the world at the time (the national lockdown caused by COVID-19).

I never really intended to get DFTF published, as it was just a creative outlet when i first began the project, but after some really positive feedback from friends i decided to try and pursue publication at the age of eighteen (I did shelve the manuscript for a year and a bit due to A-level and higher education commitments).

It was about November 2023 when I re-looked at the novel and after some long nights of editing, I felt it was finally time to start querying. This was a long, painful and nerve-racking process, where I sent out many letters to several agents and publishers. After maybe two months of waiting, I received an interest from my current publisher, Cranthorpe Millner Publishers, and have never looked back!

So, Don’t Fear the Fire — do tell us more about it!

What’s the novel about? And where did the idea for this book come from?

Don’t Fear the Fire is a YA (young adult) romantasy (romance and fantasy) novel which follows eighteen year old Scarlett Dalton as she attends Leighton Academy, a magik (yes, with a K) school for Mystics and Warlocks. Very loosely inspired by Wiccan culture, as well as my own personal interest in spirituality, the magik system is all about inner powers/thoughts. The novel features popular ‘Booktok’ tropes such as enemies to lovers, found family, dark academia and the somewhat infamous ‘knife to the throat’ scene.

During her time at the school, Scarlett meets her two roommates (which are decided by the zodiac star signs) Samira and Ophelia, and throughout the novel, they experience all sorts of love, loss and heartbreak together.

During the hand-fasting ceremony, Scarlett is bound to her soul twin, Claude Richardson, the son of the wealthy and highly respected Richardsons. Delighted, but somewhat frightened by him, Scarlett is keen to utilise this bond to make a positive name and career for herself. However, when strange occurrences start to happen at the academy, the pair are contacted by the governing agency, OMEN, to complete a top secret mission.

The idea for DFTF started as quite literally a single scene in my mind, and after many weeks of planning and worldbuilding, I felt I had developed enough of a concept I could turn it into a full novel.

"I grew up reading Harry Potter, and always knew I loved the escapism that fantasy in general can provide."

Which writers and genres have inspired you the most?

And are there any authors’ books you’re excited about reading, that you haven’t yet read?

For sure Harry Potter, as that’s what I grew up reading and what sparked my passion for literature and creative writing.

I love fantasy or dystopian (e.g. the hunger games / maze runner) as they allow me to completely escape reality for a short period of time. I also love anything with romance in it, as I am a sucker for love – especially when there is some angsty tension or an enemies to lovers dynamic (just as long as they work out in the end).

I have loved the Powerless series by Lauren Roberts, and I can’t wait for April to get the final installment ‘Fearless’. I am also eagerly anticipating reading Fourth Wing on my upcoming holiday, as I am yet to indulge in that series (despite my colleagues raving about it for ages).

Do you have any writing rituals or habits that help you stay creative?

I try to write in short bursts/sprints. I find my mind gets tired or distracted, especially after a long day in the office or doing university work, so I find concentrating for thirty minutes to an hour in one go works for me.

I also find it’s helpful to approach writing sessions with a plan or idea of what you are aiming to write. Whether that be a specific scene, finishing a chapter or to hit a word count, having a clear goal of what you want to accomplish really motivates me.

"It’s helpful to approach writing sessions with a plan or idea of what you are aiming to write."
Lois Miller Author of Don't Fear the Fire
Lois Miller
On Writing

In terms of rituals, I have found that putting on instrumental music of songs really aids me when I write.

I like the noise, as it weirdly helps me focus, but anything with lyrics would be too distracting (I start to, very badly, sing along).

If you were stranded on a desert island, and had only three books, which ones would you pick?

Hmmm… very tough question! I would for sure say a Harry Potter novel, although it has been several years since I read them…perhaps The Goblet of Fire. There are some amazing parts of that book that were not included in the film which I love.

For my second book, I would say The Maze Runner by James Dashner. I love this book (and the whole series), so much so that I read the entire novel in under a day. I love the short chapters, the pacing and the characters, so this would have to make my top three.

For the third book, I would once again say Powerless by Lauren Roberts. I love the feisty female main character Paeydn, the cocky, yet loveable Kai and the tension that the two have. I read it on my holiday last year and it really had me giggling and kicking my feet!

What are you currently reading?

Slightly a cop-out answer, but my current work in progress…I am writing something completely different from DFTF and I am loving it!!

Without revealing too much, it is a dystopian novel, with a very unique societal structure and a head-strong FMC (female main character). I am in the process of both writing and editing the manuscript, so feel like it’s currently the main thing I am reading.

To confess, I am not much of a reader anymore…I spend all my free time writing (or proofreading) my own work. However, that being said, I do love to take a couple books with me whenever I go on holiday, but unfortunately that is all the reading I can typically do.

How can readers best support debut authors like yourself?

Of course there is an obvious answer – preorder/buy our novels! Any sale we have not only makes our day, but also shows to other readers, publishers and even booksellers (aka the Amazon algorithm) that our book is something that could be worth your time.

However, I would also love to stress that interacting with us on social media is another amazing way to support any debut author. The power of Instagram and TikTok is truly remarkable (whilst also terrifying), so every like, follow, comment or repost makes a huge difference. One viral video can boost sales by an unbelievable amount, so any chance you get to interact with debut/indie authors helps us immensely.

And finally, if you had any advice for your younger self starting this novel — or any other young writers — what would it be?

For my younger self writing DFTF, I would say maybe read up a bit on grammar – the subtle nuances of en/em dashes etc can really be a make or break for an agent or publisher.

I would also say to myself, but also any writer (no matter their age), that you do need a plan. Whether that be a loose synopsis (which also is not set in stone – if you have another, better idea, you can adapt it) or a chapter-by-chapter plan, an empty document is much more intimidating if you don’t know what you’re filling it with.

Definitely take the time to flesh out your characters and world building – perhaps by making lots of Pinterest boards or creating detailed character profiles on word – as this will save a lot of headache, stress and confusion in the long run.

One final thing I would also love to say to anyone thinking of starting a novel is ‘don’t compare yourself to anyone else.’ Everyone has a different writing journey, and that is okay. Some people will write a whole draft in three months, others in three years. That does not dictate the success or merit of your work.

The same goes for the querying process; the odds of getting an agent/publisher are quite low, and it may take some people months to find the right person for their work, whereas others might hit the nail on the head first try.

If you believe in your work, others will too.

Don’t Fear the Fire, published by Cranthorpe Millner Publishers, is out on the 25th March in the UK.

You can pre-order your copy from all good bookstores, or order directly from the publisher to support their ongoing work.

Top Book Bloggers to Follow in 2024

Top Book Bloggers and Influencers to follow in 2024
Top Book Bloggers and Influencers to follow in 2024

Blogging is still a hugely popular medium in 2023, with 77% of internet users reading blog posts on a regular basis. And book blogging is no exception.

Social media communities such as BookTok, Bookstagram, and BookTube have given the publishing industry a much-needed shot in the arm.

And whilst some see this success as a threat to conventional book blogging, I’d argue that it’s actually revitalised the bookish content creation landscape – including blogging.

So, to celebrate all aspects of bookish culture, I’d featured some of the best bookish content creators you should be following in 2023.

Book Bloggers

Pages Unbound is easily one of the best book blogs on the internet, with a diverse mix of classical literature and YA fiction.

Briana & Krysta are amazing at creating (and promoting) their bookish content – if I’m ever half as successful as them, I’d be thrilled.

Rebbie Reviews is an absolute star. Again, a really fine book blogger. She takes part in The Write Reads book tour circuit fairly frequently, so you can guarantee you’ll find some interesting independently published books on her blog.

She also brought my attention to a really interesting used book scheme that is promoting literacy in the UK, whilst reducing waste.

Alex @ Spells & Spaceships has cornered the SFF book blogging game like an absolute pro.

His interviews with authors are always interesting, and his famed #Norsevember month of Norse-based content is really impressive.

Little Bird Book Blog has captured a really neat aesthetic; it’s approachable and captures what Rosie, the blogger, is all about.

She has a very conversational writing style, which brings you closer to the writing itself. I really enjoy that aspect of her blogging.

Cozy with Books once posted 100 blog posts in 100 days. That’s how seriously she takes blogging. Her dedication is matched equally by her quality of content.

Plus, Esther’s just a really flipping nice person.

We don’t typically read the same books, but that’s partly why I enjoy her blog so much – it exposes me to other types of writing.

Mackenzie @ Lit Lemon Books is brilliant. She posts regular, diverse book-related content – as well as some fun ‘beyond bookish’ posts including her favourite scary movies

Interestingly, she also challenged herself to ‘read for free’ back in 2022, by supporting local libraries. For many of us, the idea of not buying new books for an entire year is virtually impossible, so do check in and see how she’s doing!

As you can perhaps take away from the name, Out of This World SFF is a blog geared towards fantasy and science fiction novels.

However, this is a blog that focuses on new and upcoming books from less-known presses and independently published fiction. Nick, who runs the blog, also publishes a variety of content outside of reviews, including book tour stops, cover reveals, and author interviews.

Because of this approach to blogging, readers of Out of This World SFF should expect to find fresh, exciting new writing in the sci-fi and fantasy genres.

Celeste is a fine book blogger who runs A Literary Escape –  a book blog that focuses primarily on fantasy fiction. However, she also publishes the occasional science fiction and non-fiction review (including high-profile release, Spare).

Reviews on A Literary Escape adopt a more conversational tone, which is super approachable, digestible, and actually feels very personal to the reader. Reviews provoke conversation, which is why Celeste has a healthy community of regular commenters.

Definitely worth checking out.

Jennie @ The Redhead Notes positions herself as a blogger who empowers authors by giving them a platform online.

As such, she features a lot of guest posts on a variety of topics. from spotlighting  indie publishers to the more quirky articles such as a guide to tea-drinking

It’s a unique corner of the internet, and the sheer variety of content on offer makes The Redhead Notes a book blog that comes highly recommended.

Bex is one of the funniest, most authentic people on Twitter – and a super passionate blogger. After all, she’s focused on ‘books, more books, and nothing but the books’!

If you’re not following Bex, you’re missing out big time.

BookTubers

Beth of BooksNest has been blogging at booksnest.co.uk for a few years now, but really found a voice and presence on YouTube.

Recently she’s pivoted towards travel-based vlogs, but high-quality bookish content remains at the heart of her channel.

 

Ashleigh at A Frolic Through Fiction is pretty prolific bookish content creator across both Bookstagram and BookTube.

And with a cozy cottagecore vibe and aesthetic, A Frolic Through Fiction videos always come with exceptional production value.

From witchy books recommendations for your TBR, through to bullet journal planning, and even immersive ASMR videos – A Frolic Through Fiction is a BookTube channel with some incredible content.

Chelsea, aka The Not So Secret Bookaholic, is a BookTuber who focuses primarily on TBR recommendations, book hauls, and weekly reading vlogs.

Using less stylisation and filters than other BookTubers, she keeps her content lean, clean, and super authentic. 

It’s this authenticity and approachable screen presence that makes The Not So Secret Bookaholic channel such a great channel to tune into on a weekly basis!

Got any bloggers you want to give a shout out to? Post a link to their site below!

Publishing Interview with Andy at Seventy2One

Recently, I caught up with Andy Leach of Seventy2One – a publishing imprint of Massive Overheads.

Hi Andy – cheers for getting involved. Great to have you on the blog.

To start things off, can you tell my readers some more about Seventy2One and Massive Overheads?

What’s your angle as a publisher, and what sort of literature do you want to deliver to your audience?

Hi, John, good to be here. Massive Overheads Productions is essentially me and my pal Alec Bowman-Clarke.

Alec’s a photographer, filmmaker and musician. We’d met via Twitter and talked about doing a project together. In 2020 I mooted the idea of a short film and sent Alec a script I’d written. He liked it, so as the UK came out of lockdown we started making a film, called Overheads. The experience was great for both of us, so we set up a creative collaboration called Massive Overheads Productions, through which we could put any other work that we might do together. Over time I began to like the idea of Massive Overheads being more than short films, and so when I decided to set up a publishing imprint, I put it under the same umbrella.

Seventy2One was essentially born out of frustration. My friend (writer) Hannah Persaud and I had long talked about how we’d like to run a small press. In 2021 we found ourselves in similar positions; we’d both recently split from agents, were both frustrated at both the pace and lack of originality in publishing. 

"I want to concentrate on short stories, in a genre I'd call accessible literary. Bite-sized pieces of art."

So we decided to do something about it and created Seventy2One. In July 2021 we agreed that the first book would be a collection of short stories, focusing on the climate emergency. Somehow, 80% of the writers we contacted about it said yes, and it came together quickly, enabling us to launch Sunburnt Saints in November.

Hannah stepped away from the project after Sunburnt Saints came out; she’s still an enthusiastic supporter and we’re still good friends, just that the demands of Seventy2One didn’t sit with the rest of her life at the moment. Whereas I had 101 ideas about how I wanted to progress the imprint, so decided to take it on myself. 

I want to concentrate on short stories, in a genre I’d call accessible literary. Bite-sized pieces of art.

I hear that a lot from indie publishers in terms of a lack of pace and originality. Could you expand upon it a little?

And regarding your point on making literary writing accessible, I think that’s a really great endeavour. Some readers I speak to on a regular basis tend to be quite put off by literary fiction.

Speaking as a marketer, I think your Twitter presence gets that ‘accessible literary’ vibe across really well to be honest.

Thanks for saying that we’re managing to get what we’re about across on Twitter; it’s certainly been a good place to grow our community.

I’ve always found the term [literary fiction] to be somewhat pretentious, a bit up its own backside. It suggests a denigration of other genres in favour of itself, a sort of ‘one true calling’ of book genres. But as we seem stuck with it, what I mean by it is something that’s original, that uses language to communicate as much as story, if that makes sense, and which doesn’t follow a conventional pattern. Those type of books have always been more interesting to me. 

But essentially it’s a nonsense term. I remember a Booker longlister being described as a litfic crossover with crime and thinking ‘Stop trying to pigeonhole books! It’s just a damn good book that happens to be about a crime.’

As to pace and originality, there are times when publishing feels like a sausage factory, a never-ending line of genre-based identi-books. And then when something new does come along and become an unexpected hit, everyone spends the next eighteen months trying to pull off a repeat of it with sub-standard replica books.

The pace thing is a mystery to me. Books are written within a timeframe and yet by the time they come out, the author has moved on, is probably interested in different things, is writing different things, so they’re always retrospective. I’m less bothered as to why this is the case (because I’m sure someone from Harper Collins or wherever would have an answer) than the fact that it just shouldn’t, needn’t be the case.

For me and what I’m trying to do at Seventy2One, it’s back to that late ’70s early ’80’s ethic of immediacy, of writing it, editing it and getting it out all within a pretty short period of time. And then move on to the next one, knowing that the best of them will stand any test of time as great works.

At Seventy2One, you’re all about chapbooks.

What are they exactly, what made you opt for that format, and how do they differ from a regular paperback?

It’s all about chapbooks for now. Going forward, there will be other projects. I think chapbooks suit the short story format really well. They allow short stories to stand up for themselves in the way that a novel would, rather than getting lost within an anthology. I find the best short stories more satisfying than most novels.

"Think high-end punk aesthetic. The Elvis Costello of publishing! "

There are lots of definitions of ‘chapbooks’ online; as I understand it. They originated in the sixteenth century as little folded pamphlets, and were popularised in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries as print became more accessible. ‘Chap’ books because they were sold at the roadside by chap men: pedlars and street sellers. Chap taken from the old English cäep, meaning ‘cheap.’

The modern resurgence tends to mean little books of 40 pages or less. Mine are 28 pages from cover to cover. I wanted them to be easily affordable but with great writers, quick, unpretentious, accessible, things you could slip into a pocket or handbag, but at the same time retain a literary integrity. Think high-end punk aesthetic. The Elvis Costello of publishing!

On a similar note, you’re a subscription-only publisher.

What made you take that route, vs the traditional method of selling books for a one-off fixed price?

I think the traditional method is broken. I spent some time working as a bookseller at a branch of Waterstones, ostensibly to gain more insight into the UK fiction publishing market. 

I started wondering why they made Greta Thunberg ‘author of the year’ yet positioned her books at the till, surrounded by plastic toys and all sorts of environmentally ridiculous bits and bobs. I got told that’s where the profit is. It’s not in books. And then you have great indie publishers putting out some terrific work that are one flop away from going bust. 

I also think distributors have too much power. So I wanted to see if things could be done differently. Subscription builds a community among Seventy2One’s readers and also means the cost can be kept low. Times are so tough for so many at the moment, that spreading the cost of four storybooks over a year at just £1.50 a month means that perhaps people might be able to manage that, rather than an outlay on one individual book. 

Books are, after all, a luxury item. At least when compared to food and energy costs.

Wow, that’s pretty telling.

I must admit my (and a fair few others’) eyebrows were raised when last year’s Waterstones Book of the Year was Paul McCartney’s book (selling for around £75 no less!)

I think the booksellers at high street bookshops do a great job, and I’ve got a lot of time for them, but it’s pretty interesting to get that insight from a higher-up commercials point of view.

Yes, the McCartney book is another good illustration as to what’s wrong.

No one loves McCartney more than me, I think he’s up there with Mozart as just the greatest composer we’ve ever known, the definition of a living legend. But for a £75 book to be Book of the Year suggests someone somewhere is trying to claw back a huge advance!

I noticed that you published an anthology on climate change in Sunburnt Saints – you’ve got some really talented writers in there!

What impact do you think writers, and indeed publishers, can have on influencing positive action towards climate change?

To a certain extent we’re preaching to the choir. If you have a book subtitled ‘An anthology of climate fiction’ it’s not going to be bought and considered by those in denial. By the same token, I think it’s vital that we, everyone, not just writers and publishers, continue to engage with the subject, learn more, demand more, take action, make better decisions. 

And the one thing writers and publishers can do is use their voice, their platform, to continue to raise awareness, to show what’s happening. If one story in that collection made one reader out of hundreds stop and think and make a better choice with the environmental crisis in mind, it’s done its job.

What are the main challenges you face as an indie publisher? In an ideal world, what would you change overnight?

Seventy2One’s challenges are those that face any new brand: awareness and customer acquisition. The quicker we can grow, the sooner we can bring out more books and do more things. 

But it’s very easy to lose money in publishing! So it’s a constant battle between seeking growth and finding out what works. 

In terms of changes, my initial reaction was to restore the net book agreement, but in retrospect that ship has sailed. I think changing the distribution landscape would bring most benefits to indies. Distribution deals that don’t allow for more than a certain percentage of returns would make a more level playing field. At the moment the publisher takes the risk at both ends of the market and that can’t be right.

Yeah, distribution returns can be a real pain point for small press. I can imagine it’s incredibly hard to manage the budget with that in mind.

For my readers who aren’t aware of distribution agreements, essentially, how it works is that a publisher sells an inventory of books to the distributors, who then move them on to retailers.

If the stock isn’t shifted by the retailer (or not shifted after a stipulated period of time) the books get sent back to the publisher and the publisher essentially has to reimburse the distributor accordingly.

Pretty much, plus a distributor can, for example, charge the publisher for its services on a weekly basis and then agree to pay the publisher for books sold monthly or quarterly, so it becomes a cashflow issue too.

Do you think there’s an appetite for that sort of change? Presumably it would have to come from the bigger publishers.

There are a number of small distributors out there, but since Bertrams’ demise it’s basically Gardners, so it’s fair to say a large percentage of the market is sewn up. And of course, the big publishers have their own distribution services, too. Grantham Book Services, for example, is owned by Penguin Random House.

But things are changing, indeed have been changing since Amazon entered the UK 15 years ago (yes, it’s only been 15 years!). Don’t forget, Amazon’s original offer was built around books. They were the first real modern disruptor to the books market and offered all sorts of differences to the consumer and to writers.

And from a Seventy2One point of view, I see lots of things being sold by subscription that in times past you’d never have thought would have been: wine, fruit and veg, beauty products, vinyl records, gadgets, cheese… they’re all available on subscription. We’re just adopting a retail method that’s proven in other sectors. 

Big thanks to Andy for getting involved. If you enjoyed this interview, leave a comment below and head over to Massive Overheads to find out more!

Desert Island Lit | Episode 3 (BooksNest)

Beth | BooksNest

Beth is an award-winning blogger and BookTuber.

She also writes about mental health, blogging & social media tips, feminism, sex positivity and travel.

As one of my favourite content creators, it’s an absolute pleasure to host her.

Welcome to Desert Island Lit. In this episode, I’m thrilled to be joined by the delightful Beth of BooksNest.

In this series, I ask my guests to pick five – and only five – books to take with them to the Island of Absurdia. A solitary island where one whiles away their days in joyful isolation, accompanied only by their favourite literature!

Swept away on an existential tide, Beth finds herself in solitary confinement on the Isle of Absurdia.

And because we’re on the Isle of Absurdia, our esteemed guest will, as always, receive a copy of The Myth of Sisyphus and a luxury item of their choice. In this case, she’s picked a cinema popcorn machine – large but of course necessary.

Beth's Desert Island Lit Picks

Is anyone surprised… probably not.

I have a few reasons for picking this book, not only is it huge and therefore would take me a good chunk of time to read, but also there’s so much to discover from it in each reread. I feel I could read it as a different book each time which would be an excellent source of entertainment for me. There are so many messages in Tolkien’s books and I love the way we all read them differently. 

The world of The Lord of the Rings has been with me ever since the first film came out when I was a child. I loved the elves the very best; their elegant movements and skill with a bow and arrow. My grandad actually made me my very own bow and arrow so I could be like Legolas in a nearby forest.

In short, this world has been with me since childhood and will be with me for my whole life I expect. It’s something I have a very personal connection with on quite a few levels. 

It wasn’t until a few years ago I first read the books, which I think was the perfect time for me to read them and love them. I’m already considering a reread, so it’s a good thing this tome would be with me on a desert island! I loved comparing the books to the films, of which the films have stayed incredibly true. And seeing my favourite characters come to life in a whole new way.

I’m sure there are better yoga books out there – but this is the one on my shelves. If I’m going to be abandoned on an island, I’d like to find some zen and get really good at something that will help my body and mind. I’ve always enjoyed yoga, but I’ve never dedicated enough time to get particularly good at it, so I guess this would be my time! 

I find exercising is always something I think negatively about, despite the good it does for me. But there is something about yoga that makes me hate it a little less. The release it gives when your muscles start to stretch and your body feels more open, is quite brilliant. 

It pains me to give away a perfectly good slot to a book about exercise, but I think I’d thank myself for it.

This has quickly become one of my favourite books. I read it in 2020 and it’s stayed with me ever since. This is a book about a man who can bring the characters from other books out of their pages and into the real world. This is based around books we would know and love, such as Matilda and The Chronicles of Narnia

It follows two brothers within its story, the magical brother and the one trying to help. We’re following the latter as he tries to get to the bottom of something much larger at play. Along this journey we see a fictional street being created where all of these fictional characters can live together. Seeing them interact with each other and be so true to their original depictions, is any fiction lover’s dream!  

The reason I’ve picked this, other than it being absolutely excellent, is also because it’s almost like getting multiple books for the price of one. Because this book features characters from childhood and adult classics alike, it feels like you’re also getting the familiarity of those books too. It’s a rather lovely experience to rediscover these characters in new ways and see what adventures they dive into in The Unlikely Escape of Uriah Heep.

I was wracking my brain to think of books that would cover a range of genres, so far we’ve had high fantasy, contemporary fantasy, exercise (uhh exercise), so it was about time for a historical romance. 

If you haven’t heard of this book then perhaps you’ve been living on a desert island because it is AMAZING. It follows the life of Evelyn Hugo, a Hollywood starlet in the 50’s onwards as she experiences rises and falls in her career and also seven marriages along the way. This is one of the best books I have ever read. It is brilliantly written, captivating and tender, tense and emotional, it has everything an amazing work of fiction needs to keep its readers hooked. So I think it would keep me endlessly entertained on a desert island. 

I remember my first (and only – so far) read of this book was in the autumn of 2018. I listened to it as an audiobook on my way to and from work and I can still remember the feeling of listening to it every day. It became the anthem for my commute and gave me something to look forward to each time I drove my car. It really is a book with an atmosphere that just stays with you so perfectly – how could I not pick it for this list?!

I thought long and hard about my final book for this list, especially trying to pick a stand alone vs a book in a series I’d never be able to finish stranded on this island.

There was a lot in contention, but I wanted something long enough to entertain me for a while, and something that felt warm and wholesome. I went for Little Women in the end, a book I only very recently read for the first time, in December 2021. 

I wouldn’t say it’s a favourite book of mine, but it’s in this list for one simple reason. It feels like home. 

My logic being, if I’m stuck alone on this island I’m of course going to be homesick, I’d yearn for family and friends, for companionship and for traditions and festivities. Little Women is pretty much the first book I thought of that had all of these things. It’s pages are filled with the stories of the March sisters and their lives as they grow from girls to young women. I know I could turn to any chapter and feel comforted by their stories. 

I think this book really resonated with me because it follows four very different paths these sisters take. I’m at a crossroad in life at the moment where I’m seeing a lot of friends my age go on to do very different things to those I am achieving and it can often feel strange. But for me, Little Women reminded me we all have our different routes in life and it doesn’t make them any less valid if they’re not the route everyone else is taking. 

Also having seen the recent film adaptation, I think I could picture this in my head too and have an even more visual reading experience. So really, this book would be like bringing a film with me too.

Big thanks to Beth for getting involved – it’s been a genuine pleasure to host one of the UK’s most popular BookTubers on the blog.

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